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== NixOS Woke Invasion ==
 
== NixOS Woke Invasion ==
  
The [https://srid.ca/nixos-woke Woke invasion] of the NixOS community can be traced back to as early as April 2021 (see: [https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nursing-a-thriving-community/12742 discourse.nixos.org], [https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/120729#discussion_r621116027 github.com]).
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"[https://srid.ca/nixos-woke NixOS Woke Invasion]" is an article by Sridhar Ratnakumar (srid) written on June 16, 2024 making the claim that the NixOS community was gradually invaded by wokeness since 2021.<ref>Some conversation on [https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nursing-a-thriving-community/12742 discourse.nixos.org], 2021-04-28, suggesting a change in rhetoric.</ref><ref>Some conversation on [https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/120729#discussion_r621116027 github.com], 2021-04-27, suggesting a change in rhetoric.</ref>
It appears to have reached its zenith in April 2024 when the woke moderation team’s mischiefs [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40166912 reached the public eye].
 
  
On May 1st, 2024, the Board decided to delegate powers to an unspecified “community” (see “Eelco steps down” below), however it remains to be seen what exactly this will engender.
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The article builds a timeline of events that mainly involve people who have been banned from the NixOS platforms (GitHub, Discourse, Matrix), or resigned from the moderation team or the NixOS Foundation board during 2024, as part of related conflicts. Significantly, it highlights the event of Eelco Dolstra stepping down from the NixOS Foundation board after an outlash<ref>"[https://x.com/sridca/status/1782200842571198962 Eelco Dolstra's leadership is corrosive to the Nix project]", screenshots on Twitter/X, 2024-04-22, from https://save-nix-together.org and elsewhere, questioning Eelco Dolstra as a leader.</ref>, banning the the authors of [https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/175 RFC 175], and banning the author srid themselves.
  
=== Timeline ===
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=== Notable bans ===
Notable events since Nov, 2023:
 
  
{| class="wikitable"
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While others were banned before and since, the story mentions the following:
! Date !! Event
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* Sridhar Ratnakumar (srid): for upsetting people in online discussions
| [https://srid.ca/nixos-mod 2023-11-14] || Author gets banned for ideological reasons
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* David Arnold (blaggacao): *(no documented reason)*
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* Jon Ringer: for upsetting people in online discussions
| [https://twitter.com/sridca/status/1751586790425895377 2024-01-28] || Witch-hunt by NixOS moderator Martin Weinelt (hexa) to get the entire [https://nixos.asia NixOS Asia] domain, as well as Srid, banned from the Lobste.rs site
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* nrdxp, apcodes: presumably for submitting RFC 175.
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| [https://twitter.com/sridca/status/1757055395183374667 2024-02-12] || Report of the moderators perma-banning David Arnold
 
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| [https://twitter.com/sridca/status/1766944228129575327 2024-03-10] || Continued criticism of the mod team by community members; a NixOS moderator “piegamesde” publicly accuses Srid of being “transphobic”
 
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| [https://twitter.com/sridca/status/1771523366983196975 2024-03-20] || Continued criticism; Jonas Chevalier (zimbatm) publicly lies about Srid; then threatened and successfully shadow-banned the people raising criticism
 
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| [https://twitter.com/sridca/status/1782200842571198962 2024-04-22] || Attempt to depose Eelco Dolstra
 
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| [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40204985 2024-04-26] || Banning of Jon Ringer, and the authors of RFC 175 (nrdxp apcodes); moderators begin resigning (see below)
 
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| [https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1ch8vhv/eelco_steps_down/ 2024-05-01] || Eelco steps down
 
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| [https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/pull/142 2024-05-01] || [https://nixpkgs.zulipchat.com Zulip] is chosen for governance discussions (allowing banned members with “extreme prejudice” and threat of permaban “[if] they blow it“)
 
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=== Moderation team ===
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=== Moderation team resignations ===
==== Evidence of woke moderation ====
 
* [https://github.com/nrdxp/rfc-evidence/blob/master/rfc_evidences_experiences.md github.com]
 
  
==== Resignation ====
 
 
Just a few hours after the PR for RFC 175 was opened, several moderators began to resign from the team:
 
Just a few hours after the PR for RFC 175 was opened, several moderators began to resign from the team:
  
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As of May 2nd, this leaves `hexa` and the newly-joined `lassulus` as the only moderators.
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As of May 2nd, 2024, this leaves `hexa` and the newly-joined `lassulus` as the only moderators.
 
 
=== Will the constituent assembly perpetuate or end wokeism? ===
 
WIP
 
  
This is just a rough skeleton log of events as they continue to unfold. A coherent report will be written once the assembly has done its job.
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=== RFC 175 ===
  
* Self-professed manipulator joepie91 (Sven Slootweg) is involved from beginning
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nrdxp wrote of their experiences of submitting RFC 175:
* Preemptive squashing of dissenting opinions: [https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/pull/142/files#diff-ad7ee810e67ff78b1b7f55f7113b7e291719780d95065a82e68a5b83a19462fcR23-R25 github.com]
 
* Allowing safetyism-based silencing & banning: [https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/pull/144#discussion_r1588136289 github.com]
 
* cf. shlevy <-> zimbatm [https://matrix.to/#/!VyoUhyWvlhSpFWWxHL:matrix.org/$P7-nlgSP0QVA7W6qPPUZddmnXxRYW5d67EVfjKO-RiQ?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev on Matrix]
 
* A predominantly woke moderation team (6 of them from Europe, incidentally) was chosen to moderate the Zulip: [https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/pull/144#issuecomment-2091819630 github.com]
 
* infinisil was quite sensible, until to the point of ceding to banning Shea Levy (see below)
 
* RaitoBezarius is woke.
 
* hexa is woke.
 
* Janik is woke
 
* [https://toot.cat endocrimes] is woke (responsible for banning Shea)
 
* lassulus (unknown yet; but did relay the spurious message justifying Jon’s ban)
 
* Zulip topics of interest:
 
** [https://nixpkgs.zulipchat.com constitutional assembly > Selection criteria: marginalized groups]
 
** [https://nixpkgs.zulipchat.com governance > Fundamental Principles]
 
* Shea Levy got banned (infinisil folded to the rest of the moderators)
 
** [https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1cndnyw/broken_promises_the_nix_governance_discussions/ old.reddit.com]
 
** [https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1cn60v1/shea_levy_has_been_suspended_from_the_governance/ old.reddit.com]
 
** [https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1cqic4w/report_on_nixos_governance_discussions/ old.reddit.com]
 
* Assembly applications open [https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1cojgjs/applications_for_nixos_constitutional_assembly/ old.reddit.com]
 
* Assembly announced: [https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1ct3tdb/nixos_foundation_board_constitutional_assembly/ old.reddit.com]
 
** several months before their work is done, and the results can be appraised.
 
* delroth publicly accusing Shea Levy of being ‘fascist’ [https://mastodon.delroth.net/@delroth/112450680035780629 mastodon.delroth.net]
 
* Someone’s calling out of recent (biased) mod actions [https://x.com/sridca/status/1792321271608328487 x.com]
 
* Calls to drop r/NixOS from nixos webpages; banning individuals from the official wiki for being banned in official venues: [https://x.com/sridca/status/1793489723882664111 x.com]
 
** [https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1cya4k4/rnixos_deleted_from_the_official_wiki/ old.reddit.com]
 
** sock-puppets of woke users trying to worsen the drama, e.g.: [https://old.reddit.com/user/Prudent_Confidence14 old.reddit.com]
 
* Jun 4: zimbatm removes Srid from nix-system org (also replying to him on X) and blocks him on GitHub; Srid is (coincidentally?) banned from nix-community GitHub org on the same day: [https://x.com/sridca/status/1798025800798683161 x.com]
 
* Jun 7: zimbatm [https://discourse.nixos.org/t/leaving-the-foundation-going-back-to-the-roots/46644 formally announces leaving Foundation] writing “I also messed up in many places [..] the worst part was all the conflicts that erupted in the community that I couldn’t address adequately. That was difficult. Many people got hurt emotionally. I’m sorry I failed there.”
 
* Jun 10: [https://discourse.nixos.org/t/target-date-public-repo-office-hours-interviews/46827 Target date, public repo, office hours, interviews]
 
* Jun 11: After his suspension, [https://x.com/jonringer117/status/1800644896920945146 Jon Ringer comments on RFC 175]
 
  
== External Links ==
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* https://github.com/nrdxp/rfc-evidence/blob/master/rfc_evidences_experiences.md
* [https://www.themotte.org themotte.org discussion]
 

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NixOS Woke Invasion

"NixOS Woke Invasion" is an article by Sridhar Ratnakumar (srid) written on June 16, 2024 making the claim that the NixOS community was gradually invaded by wokeness since 2021.[1][2]

The article builds a timeline of events that mainly involve people who have been banned from the NixOS platforms (GitHub, Discourse, Matrix), or resigned from the moderation team or the NixOS Foundation board during 2024, as part of related conflicts. Significantly, it highlights the event of Eelco Dolstra stepping down from the NixOS Foundation board after an outlash[3], banning the the authors of RFC 175, and banning the author srid themselves.

Notable bans

While others were banned before and since, the story mentions the following:

  • Sridhar Ratnakumar (srid): for upsetting people in online discussions
  • David Arnold (blaggacao): *(no documented reason)*
  • Jon Ringer: for upsetting people in online discussions
  • nrdxp, apcodes: presumably for submitting RFC 175.

Moderation team resignations

Just a few hours after the PR for RFC 175 was opened, several moderators began to resign from the team:

Date Name
2024-04-26 Ryan Mulligan
2024-04-28 piegames
2024-05-01 rhendric (Ryan Hendrickson)

As of May 2nd, 2024, this leaves `hexa` and the newly-joined `lassulus` as the only moderators.

RFC 175

nrdxp wrote of their experiences of submitting RFC 175:

  1. Some conversation on discourse.nixos.org, 2021-04-28, suggesting a change in rhetoric.
  2. Some conversation on github.com, 2021-04-27, suggesting a change in rhetoric.
  3. "Eelco Dolstra's leadership is corrosive to the Nix project", screenshots on Twitter/X, 2024-04-22, from https://save-nix-together.org and elsewhere, questioning Eelco Dolstra as a leader.